The Mystery of PVPing - Guild Wars Forums

Chronomaw · Jan 06, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28

This is probably considered more of a rant then a actual question, but I'm pissed off and want some answers/responses. So here it goes.

When I started playing GuildWars, I thought it was an amazing game, preascalon always had people teaming up with anyone to go complete a quest. So, I go along with it, and get myself addicted. But, after PvEing for several months, and accumulating a reasonable amount of experience with other PVP modes, I went to the tomb to find a party. So, Confident that I could get into a group and get the hang of the new rules and maps quickly - I found I couldn't be more wrong. Apparently, if I don't know what the acronym to a build is that I've never heard of, I'm deemed an ignorant noob. If I don't have the rank of 3 or above, I'm an inexperienced noob. My favorite, if I don't have ventrilo, but have teamspeak, I don't know how to play GuildWars.

So, Why does it matter if someone is rank 0 and has never done an HoH match? What's the big deal with waiting 5 more minutes for someone to download a chat app so they can enjoy the experience too? What does not having a specific chat application installed have to do with my ability to play the game?

Effendi Westland · Jan 06, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

I'm also rank 0 and just started in the HoH, it's hard to find a team, but not impossible, keep in mind the following things:

-The party you will be accepted to is probably just as new as you, or just start your own, still you'll end up with fairly new players, as the experienced ones want experienced partymembers.

-I dunno if you played GvG (you say you have reasonable experience in the other pvp modes, but GvG is most like HoH in terms of a few things), but coordination is very important. The ability to feint moves, all attack at the same time and so on. It's near impossible to achieve this without a voice chat.

-Even if you lose in under a minute, it still pays of to stay in a losing party, those who no clue to what they are doing will probably drop out, and when you look for replacement you will know what the group was lacking and can advertise for such a build.

-When players do not know each other, no coordination is most likely to happen, so a lot of people avoid that and go into tombs with friends and guildmates. The above (staying in a party after losing) will insure that you at least get to know the others in the PUG, and may help things later on.

-You have to have roles in the group (for instance a warrior who used knockdown to keep the target in place for the spellcasters), PUGs are very bad at determining roles. Again staying in a group will make the probability of roles more likely.

That's my 2 cents..... started on em yesterday, got 10 fame now... at this rate it will take me..... 54 more hours to get rank 3 without resorting to IWAY

aretziel · Jan 06, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I like that Ventrilo discussion ...

I have had teh same thing when I played WoW ...

Ventrilo is more instable (or used to be anyway) then TS and has a thing to change settings by itself from time to time you start it or boot your computer.

So why people still use it I don??t know ...

this snowball fight thing they have for fun now I think is great fun ...

not to serius but you can make it serius if you like ...

Effendi Westland · Jan 06, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

misunderstood the chat part...yea teamspeak is better, tells more about the person not wanting to use that

btw are you on american server or europe, i'm europe and never been asked to bring ventrillo

Numa Pompilius · Jan 06, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Ventrilo is much easier to set up, and has *much* better sound quality. I often find it hard to hear what people say in teamspeak because the sound quality is so low. The chief advantage of teamspeak is the very low cost in bandwidth.

However, ventrilo seems to have a problem with my new dualcore PC, so now I run Skype for voicecomm, and it's got amazing sound quality and is very easy to use. The price is that you pretty much must have broadband or you'll get lag in GW.

aretziel · Jan 06, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Numa got a point here that I had forgotten ...

long time since I used any of the 2 ...

I did use Ventrilo more often then TS when I played WoW, because a friend of mine had a personal Ventrilo server so it was easier then paying or begging for a TS one (no one wanted to run one on their own machine and crank the connection) ...

but I know a friend who used TS realy serious and he had good quality, but I think he had some 'pay for it'-codec =)

Ventrilo is more of a install-run-connect-talk program ... when it WORKS ...
if not, you have, in worst case, hours to fix it or not able to at all ... =) (almost)

Skype is good, as it´s a 'instead of phone' kind of program, problem is that if you got a older computer it can bring it to it´s knees as I experienced ít can be resource demanding ...

RotteN · Jan 06, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

i have vent 2.1, vent 2.2 and vent 2.3 and TS

just in case

as for not being accepted as R0 : true, it can be annoying, but look at it from the other side : for experienced players it can get realy frustrated when others do stupid things, that lead to a loss (i've had it before, and i don't find it anywhere near pleasant).

try to find a chilled guild that tombs from time to time, will get you all the experience you need.

aretziel · Jan 06, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

I was in a guild in WoW that took 'apprentices' ...

I guess ??t??s somewhat different in Guild Wars but, maybe something for people to think about ...

a Highlevel and rutined player picked someone of the lower level players they thought they liked and could get along with and helped him with stuff ...

anwsered questions, aided in quests if/when need be as well as when he or she first time enterd the Battle Grounds, teamed with him/her and via chat or ventrilo/TS explained how it worked and let the person run along with him/her to get protection and protect etc.

I guess this isn??t a way to win and it can be tense when in battle, but in WoW the BGs seemed bigger and you had more time to tip the battle ...

and this way takes dedication from both the highlevel and the lowlevel person so ...

Rico Carridan · Jan 06, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronomaw

This is probably considered more of a rant then a actual question, but I'm pissed off and want some answers/responses. So here it goes.

When I started playing GuildWars, I thought it was an amazing game, preascalon always had people teaming up with anyone to go complete a quest. So, I go along with it, and get myself addicted. But, after PvEing for several months, and accumulating a reasonable amount of experience with other PVP modes, I went to the tomb to find a party. So, Confident that I could get into a group and get the hang of the new rules and maps quickly - I found I couldn't be more wrong. Apparently, if I don't know what the acronym to a build is that I've never heard of, I'm deemed an ignorant noob. If I don't have the rank of 3 or above, I'm an inexperienced noob. My favorite, if I don't have ventrilo, but have teamspeak, I don't know how to play GuildWars.

So, Why does it matter if someone is rank 0 and has never done an HoH match? What's the big deal with waiting 5 more minutes for someone to download a chat app so they can enjoy the experience too? What does not having a specific chat application installed have to do with my ability to play the game?

Well, first off, the best way to get started in Tombs is go in with your guild. You'll get a chance to learn the maps, try a few builds, lose a few matches, maybe even pick up a bit of fame, so that you won't be completely ignorant. Not being rank 3 isn't normally a problem, actually, unless you're playing a W/R trying to find an IWAY group in the international districts.

If you can't (don't have a guild, not in a guild with PvP people, etc.), then I would suggest using these forums as a resource. There is a great wealth of information here about PvP builds. Figure out what it means to be IWAY or MM or air spike or whatever, see what builds people use and what works well. Playing a healing or protecting monk isn't a bad way to start either (or if you want to try IWAY, a tainted or order necro), since usually people will let you into their groups with a lot less scrutiny. Just bring a decent looking build, and, particularly if you're the monk, just ask what skills they would like you to bring. Tombs players don't want people they think are ignorant on their team, becase they think those people will lead them to lose. So just act like you know what you're doing, and they will think you do.

Rico

PS: For your information

IWAY - a build with (usually) 4 W/R with pets, two trapping rangers, a necro with tainted flesh and corpse control, and a necro with order of the vampire and order of pain. The W/R get their pets killed then activate the skill "I Will Avenge You" (IWAY) to increase their damage output.

MM - minion master group. You have two necros use "blood is power" or something similar to sacrifice themselves to death, and two fastcasting mesmers use restore life to resurrect them. Then your minion masters can use the bodies created by the sacrificing players to make minions.

Trapper build - a build that relies mainly on trapping rangers (usually in a tight ball) to protect themselves

X Spike - a coordinated attack on a single target using a particular skill type. Ranger spike for example, uses dual shot with orders; air spike uses mind shock, lightning orb, and lightning strike.

Balanced - a group with a mix of classes and skills

Degen - a build that spams degenerating attacks on the enemy party to overwhelm their monks

Korea - the country that everyone hates to play against

aretziel · Jan 06, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

why do everyone hate to play against Korea?

because their total dedication to the game and 24/7 living and breathing the game? =) (or was that StarCraft)

Excite X · Jan 06, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rico Carridan

Korea - the country that everyone hates to play against

Hehe, That made me LOL in RL. I'd rather play against a Korean team, and some random American Pug. Just because 99.5% of the time its another IWAY.

Effendi Westland · Jan 07, 2006, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by aretziel

why do everyone hate to play against Korea?

because their total dedication to the game and 24/7 living and breathing the game? =) (or was that StarCraft)

Yea it was

http://rossignol.cream.org/?p=284

Jan 06, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28	#1
Chronomaw Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ohio Guild: The Reapers [TR] Profession: R/Mo	The Mystery of PVPing This is probably considered more of a rant then a actual question, but I'm pissed off and want some answers/responses. So here it goes. When I started playing GuildWars, I thought it was an amazing game, preascalon always had people teaming up with anyone to go complete a quest. So, I go along with it, and get myself addicted. But, after PvEing for several months, and accumulating a reasonable amount of experience with other PVP modes, I went to the tomb to find a party. So, Confident that I could get into a group and get the hang of the new rules and maps quickly - I found I couldn't be more wrong. Apparently, if I don't know what the acronym to a build is that I've never heard of, I'm deemed an ignorant noob. If I don't have the rank of 3 or above, I'm an inexperienced noob. My favorite, if I don't have ventrilo, but have teamspeak, I don't know how to play GuildWars. So, Why does it matter if someone is rank 0 and has never done an HoH match? What's the big deal with waiting 5 more minutes for someone to download a chat app so they can enjoy the experience too? What does not having a specific chat application installed have to do with my ability to play the game?

Jan 06, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29	#6
aretziel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: E/Me	Numa got a point here that I had forgotten ... long time since I used any of the 2 ... I did use Ventrilo more often then TS when I played WoW, because a friend of mine had a personal Ventrilo server so it was easier then paying or begging for a TS one (no one wanted to run one on their own machine and crank the connection) ... but I know a friend who used TS realy serious and he had good quality, but I think he had some 'pay for it'-codec =) Ventrilo is more of a install-run-connect-talk program ... when it WORKS ... if not, you have, in worst case, hours to fix it or not able to at all ... =) (almost) Skype is good, as it´s a 'instead of phone' kind of program, problem is that if you got a older computer it can bring it to it´s knees as I experienced ít can be resource demanding ... Last edited by aretziel; Jan 06, 2006 at 05:32 PM // 17:32..

Jan 06, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18	#2
Effendi Westland Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Isle of the dead Guild: [DVDF][LDS] Profession: P/W	I'm also rank 0 and just started in the HoH, it's hard to find a team, but not impossible, keep in mind the following things: -The party you will be accepted to is probably just as new as you, or just start your own, still you'll end up with fairly new players, as the experienced ones want experienced partymembers. -I dunno if you played GvG (you say you have reasonable experience in the other pvp modes, but GvG is most like HoH in terms of a few things), but coordination is very important. The ability to feint moves, all attack at the same time and so on. It's near impossible to achieve this without a voice chat. -Even if you lose in under a minute, it still pays of to stay in a losing party, those who no clue to what they are doing will probably drop out, and when you look for replacement you will know what the group was lacking and can advertise for such a build. -When players do not know each other, no coordination is most likely to happen, so a lot of people avoid that and go into tombs with friends and guildmates. The above (staying in a party after losing) will insure that you at least get to know the others in the PUG, and may help things later on. -You have to have roles in the group (for instance a warrior who used knockdown to keep the target in place for the spellcasters), PUGs are very bad at determining roles. Again staying in a group will make the probability of roles more likely. That's my 2 cents..... started on em yesterday, got 10 fame now... at this rate it will take me..... 54 more hours to get rank 3 without resorting to IWAY

Jan 06, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#3
aretziel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: E/Me	I like that Ventrilo discussion ... I have had teh same thing when I played WoW ... Ventrilo is more instable (or used to be anyway) then TS and has a thing to change settings by itself from time to time you start it or boot your computer. So why people still use it I don??t know ... this snowball fight thing they have for fun now I think is great fun ... not to serius but you can make it serius if you like ...

Jan 06, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#4
Effendi Westland Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Isle of the dead Guild: [DVDF][LDS] Profession: P/W	misunderstood the chat part...yea teamspeak is better, tells more about the person not wanting to use that btw are you on american server or europe, i'm europe and never been asked to bring ventrillo

Jan 06, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24	#5
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Ventrilo is much easier to set up, and has much better sound quality. I often find it hard to hear what people say in teamspeak because the sound quality is so low. The chief advantage of teamspeak is the very low cost in bandwidth. However, ventrilo seems to have a problem with my new dualcore PC, so now I run Skype for voicecomm, and it's got amazing sound quality and is very easy to use. The price is that you pretty much must have broadband or you'll get lag in GW.

Jan 06, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#7
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	i have vent 2.1, vent 2.2 and vent 2.3 and TS just in case as for not being accepted as R0 : true, it can be annoying, but look at it from the other side : for experienced players it can get realy frustrated when others do stupid things, that lead to a loss (i've had it before, and i don't find it anywhere near pleasant). try to find a chilled guild that tombs from time to time, will get you all the experience you need.

Jan 06, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23	#8
aretziel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: E/Me	I was in a guild in WoW that took 'apprentices' ... I guess ??t??s somewhat different in Guild Wars but, maybe something for people to think about ... a Highlevel and rutined player picked someone of the lower level players they thought they liked and could get along with and helped him with stuff ... anwsered questions, aided in quests if/when need be as well as when he or she first time enterd the Battle Grounds, teamed with him/her and via chat or ventrilo/TS explained how it worked and let the person run along with him/her to get protection and protect etc. I guess this isn??t a way to win and it can be tense when in battle, but in WoW the BGs seemed bigger and you had more time to tip the battle ... and this way takes dedication from both the highlevel and the lowlevel person so ...

Jan 06, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31	#10
aretziel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: E/Me	why do everyone hate to play against Korea? because their total dedication to the game and 24/7 living and breathing the game? =) (or was that StarCraft)